[Chemistry_faculty] competition

[Matthew Conley]

Companies in my orbit wouldn't pay for a professional degree, and I would
be surprised if they do at UCLA or anywhere. A MACS is not an MBA. HR has
clear expectations for BS (or MS) graduates that align with the
instrumentation in that company since these students tend to be limited to
technical roles. Employee development is, unfortunately, not part of the
plan.



If we develop a program like this, it needs to provide enough benefit to
the student to justify the cost. Mike’s thought about engaging CS students
could be an interesting way forward, and there are probably other ideas
that may pass the smell test. In the end we have to be very careful, this
is a slippery slope towards a money grab for a degree that may not be worth
all that much on the job market.


Matt

On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 6:05 PM Michael Pirrung <michael.pirrung at ucr.edu>
wrote:

> Matt is not wrong, but a point about professional masters programs is that
> they are most often paid for by the employer. Presumably, that is how UCLA
> is getting its program going, via strong connections w/ local med chem
> companies. Not every UC could do this however.
>
> A thought - perhaps our program could leverage campus expertise in
> computational chemistry to offer training to people who are strong in CS
> but have never had a biology or chemistry course to move into life sciences
> companies. That might be in their interest enough to pay for themselves.
>
> On Jan 16, 2024, at 11:00 AM, Matthew Conley <matthew.conley at ucr.edu>
> wrote:
>
> I'm having a hard time seeing a population that would benefit from paying
> $36k/year for a MACS degree. We give an arguably more valuable MS/MA degree
> to students that do not matriculate through our PhD program at near-zero
> cost to the student. This is just a revenue generator at a significant cost
> to the student.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 10:48 AM Leonard Mueller <lmueller at ucr.edu> wrote:
>
>> One challenge for different target populations is the cost of
>> professional school tuition. The UCLA program is $36k/year just for tuition.
>>
>> -Len
>>
>>
>> *From:* bartels at ucr.edu [mailto:bartels at ucr.edu]
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 15, 2024 10:42 AM
>> *To:* leonard.mueller at ucr.edu
>> *Cc:* chemistry_faculty at lists.ucr.edu
>> *Subject:* Re: [Chemistry_faculty] FW: competition
>>
>>
>> I believe this is a good idea for the following reasons:
>>
>>
>> -increases enrollment in graduate courses and thus allows us to offer a
>> wider range
>>
>> -provides a pathway to attract local students who are unsure about going
>> all the way for PhD; as such, it will increase domestic in-state
>> enrollment. Ultimately, we may convince the best of them to become PhD
>> students
>>
>> -there is likely some funding coming to the department as a portion of
>> the fees out of state students pay
>>
>> -it provides additional educational opportunity to our stakeholders at
>> minimal incremental cost to the department
>>
>>
>> Ludwig Bartels
>>
>> Professor of Chemistry
>>
>> University of California at Riverside
>>
>> Phone: 951 827 2041
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 15, 2024, at 06:59, Leonard Mueller <lmueller at ucr.edu> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> Colleagues,
>>
>> You may find this interesting. I expect that we could do something even
>> better if we put ourselves to it. I would be interested in your opinions on
>> this. Perhaps we can have a discussion on the Dept Slack regarding a
>> professional masters program.
>>
>> -Len
>>
>>
>> *From:* Michael Pirrung [mailto:michael.pirrung at ucr.edu]
>> *Sent:* Monday, January 15, 2024 5:50 AM
>> *To:* Ana Bahamonde <ana.bahamonde at ucr.edu>; Matthew D Casselman <
>> matthew.casselman at ucr.edu>; Richard Hooley <richard.hooley at ucr.edu>;
>> Kevin Kou <kevink at ucr.edu>; Catharine Larsen <catharine.larsen at ucr.edu>;
>> William James Neary <william.neary at ucr.edu>; Chris Switzer <
>> christopher.switzer at ucr.edu>
>> *Cc:* leonard.mueller at ucr.edu
>> *Subject:* competition
>>
>>
>> https://macsucla.com/
>>
>>
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>>
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>> University of California
>> Riverside, CA 92521
>>
>> Professor of Pharmaceutical Science
>> University of California
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