[Chemistry_faculty] competition

[Michael Pirrung]

Matt is not wrong, but a point about professional masters programs is that they are most often paid for by the employer. Presumably, that is how UCLA is getting its program going, via strong connections w/ local med chem companies. Not every UC could do this however. 

A thought - perhaps our program could leverage campus expertise in computational chemistry to offer training to people who are strong in CS but have never had a biology or chemistry course to move into life sciences companies. That might be in their interest enough to pay for themselves. 

> On Jan 16, 2024, at 11:00 AM, Matthew Conley <matthew.conley at ucr.edu> wrote:
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> I'm having a hard time seeing a population that would benefit from paying $36k/year for a MACS degree. We give an arguably more valuable MS/MA degree to students that do not matriculate through our PhD program at near-zero cost to the student. This is just a revenue generator at a significant cost to the student. 
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> On Mon, Jan 15, 2024 at 10:48 AM Leonard Mueller <lmueller at ucr.edu <mailto:lmueller at ucr.edu>> wrote:
> One challenge for different target populations is the cost of professional school tuition. The UCLA program is $36k/year just for tuition.
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> -Len
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> From: bartels at ucr.edu <mailto:bartels at ucr.edu> [mailto:bartels at ucr.edu <mailto:bartels at ucr.edu>] 
> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2024 10:42 AM
> To: leonard.mueller at ucr.edu <mailto:leonard.mueller at ucr.edu>
> Cc: chemistry_faculty at lists.ucr.edu <mailto:chemistry_faculty at lists.ucr.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Chemistry_faculty] FW: competition
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> I believe this is a good idea for the following reasons:
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> -increases enrollment in graduate courses and thus allows us to offer a wider range
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> -provides a pathway to attract local students who are unsure about going all the way for PhD; as such, it will increase domestic in-state enrollment. Ultimately, we may convince the best of them to become PhD students
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> -there is likely some funding coming to the department as a portion of the fees out of state students pay
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> -it provides additional educational opportunity to our stakeholders at minimal incremental cost to the department 
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> Ludwig Bartels
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> Professor of Chemistry
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> University of California at Riverside
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> Phone: 951 827 2041
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> On Jan 15, 2024, at 06:59, Leonard Mueller <lmueller at ucr.edu <mailto:lmueller at ucr.edu>> wrote:
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> Colleagues,
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> You may find this interesting. I expect that we could do something even better if we put ourselves to it. I would be interested in your opinions on this. Perhaps we can have a discussion on the Dept Slack regarding a professional masters program.
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> -Len
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> From: Michael Pirrung [mailto:michael.pirrung at ucr.edu <mailto:michael.pirrung at ucr.edu>] 
> Sent: Monday, January 15, 2024 5:50 AM
> To: Ana Bahamonde <ana.bahamonde at ucr.edu <mailto:ana.bahamonde at ucr.edu>>; Matthew D Casselman <matthew.casselman at ucr.edu <mailto:matthew.casselman at ucr.edu>>; Richard Hooley <richard.hooley at ucr.edu <mailto:richard.hooley at ucr.edu>>; Kevin Kou <kevink at ucr.edu <mailto:kevink at ucr.edu>>; Catharine Larsen <catharine.larsen at ucr.edu <mailto:catharine.larsen at ucr.edu>>; William James Neary <william.neary at ucr.edu <mailto:william.neary at ucr.edu>>; Chris Switzer <christopher.switzer at ucr.edu <mailto:christopher.switzer at ucr.edu>>
> Cc: leonard.mueller at ucr.edu <mailto:leonard.mueller at ucr.edu>
> Subject: competition
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> Dr. Michael Pirrung
> Distinguished Professor of Chemistry
> University of California
> Riverside, CA 92521
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> Professor of Pharmaceutical Science
> University of California
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— Best Regards,

Dr. Michael Pirrung
Distinguished Professor of Chemistry
University of California
Riverside, CA 92521
Professor of Pharmaceutical Sciences
University of California
Irvine, CA 92697
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