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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/16/2024 12:23 PM, Kevin Kou wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">There will be some interest/demand for a masters
track program by those looking to improve their GPA or gain some
more experience prior to applying to MD, PharmD, etc. programs.
I've written letters for students to pursue post-bac degrees at
CSUs and MS in UCR's biomedical sciences programs for this
purpose.</div>
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<div dir="auto">I See Matt‘s concern; „offering“ such
opportunity and then appraising the students that they could
also get it for free if they enroll as Ph.D. Students will
increase our PhD applicant pool. I See this as a win, even
if no or very few students were actually ever to enroll in
the MASC program.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Ludwig Bartels
<div>Professor of Chemistry</div>
<div>University of California at Riverside</div>
<div>Phone: 951 827 2041</div>
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style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)">I'm having a
hard time seeing a population that would benefit
from paying $36k/year for a MACS degree. We give
an arguably more valuable MS/MA degree to students
that do not matriculate through our PhD program at
near-zero cost to the student. This is just a
revenue generator at a significant cost to the
student.<span> </span></span></p>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Jan 15, 2024
at 10:48 AM Leonard Mueller <<a
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">One
challenge for different target populations
is the cost of professional school
tuition. The UCLA program is $36k/year
just for tuition.</span></p>
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style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">-Len</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> <a
href="mailto:bartels@ucr.edu"
target="_blank"
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[mailto:<a
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target="_blank"
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class="moz-txt-link-freetext">bartels@ucr.edu</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 15, 2024
10:42 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a
href="mailto:leonard.mueller@ucr.edu" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">leonard.mueller@ucr.edu</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a
href="mailto:chemistry_faculty@lists.ucr.edu" target="_blank"
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<b>Subject:</b> Re:
[Chemistry_faculty] FW: competition</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I believe this is a good
idea for the following reasons:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">-increases enrollment
in graduate courses and thus allows us to
offer a wider range</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">-provides a pathway to
attract local students who are unsure
about going all the way for PhD; as such,
it will increase domestic in-state
enrollment. Ultimately, we may convince
the best of them to become PhD students</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">-there is likely some
funding coming to the department as a
portion of the fees out of state students
pay</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">-it provides additional
educational opportunity to our
stakeholders at minimal incremental cost
to the department </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ludwig Bartels</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Professor of
Chemistry</p>
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California at Riverside</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Phone: 951 827 2041</p>
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2024, at 06:59, Leonard Mueller <<a
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Colleagues,</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">You
may find this interesting. I expect
that we could do something even
better if we put ourselves to it. I
would be interested in your opinions
on this. Perhaps we can have a
discussion on the Dept Slack
regarding a professional masters
program.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> Michael Pirrung
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 15,
2024 5:50 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Ana Bahamonde <<a
href="mailto:ana.bahamonde@ucr.edu" target="_blank"
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Matthew D Casselman <<a
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Richard Hooley <<a
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class="moz-txt-link-freetext">richard.hooley@ucr.edu</a>>;
Kevin Kou <<a
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class="moz-txt-link-freetext">kevink@ucr.edu</a>>;
Catharine Larsen <<a
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class="moz-txt-link-freetext">catharine.larsen@ucr.edu</a>>;
William James Neary <<a
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moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">william.neary@ucr.edu</a>>;
Chris Switzer <<a
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class="moz-txt-link-freetext">christopher.switzer@ucr.edu</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a
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moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">leonard.mueller@ucr.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> competition</span></p>
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Best Regards, <br>
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Dr. Michael Pirrung<br>
Distinguished Professor of
Chemistry<br>
University of California<br>
Riverside, CA 92521</span></p>
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of Pharmaceutical Science<br>
University of California<br>
Irvine, CA 92697<br>
v: 951-827-2722<br>
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truths are easy to
understand once they are
discovered;<br>
the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei (1564 - 1642).</span></p>
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